tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504598332261057441.post6444460566386274737..comments2024-03-21T19:03:19.133-04:00Comments on Where there had been darkness...: "Don't blame me. I voted for Boogerjuice." Jugularjoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03768939120752611597noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504598332261057441.post-28092143289569512292012-11-08T18:28:42.035-05:002012-11-08T18:28:42.035-05:00Thanks for writing and being civil even after I ra...Thanks for writing and being civil even after I rather dismissive of Romney voters.<br /><br />I wouldn't word it the way you did, but I'll agree that part of Obama's success is attributable to the his appeal to minority voters. They are increasingly part of the electorate, and in general, the Democratic Party tends to be friendlier to their interests than the GOP, so it's not surprising that they voted for Obama in the numbers that they did. <br /><br />I'll vigorously disagree with you about the issue of Obama's bipartisanship, however. What would be sufficient evidence of bipartisanship for you? He had tax cuts in his economic stimulus package, the universal health care law as it was implemented was based very closely on one originally conceived by conservatives and he appointed Republicans as his secretaries of transportation and defense. I do think he's being at least *reasonably* bipartisan. My personal opinion is that if anything, he's being *too* bipartisan, in that he starts bargaining with a position between what he wants and what his opponents want and then allows them to extract further concessions.<br /><br />I am interested in why you support Romney though, and I don't want to scare you away from the conversation. When you write," I concede that Romney was VERY vague (this was purposely done)", what do you mean and why do you feel that it was done purposefully? The reasons that spring to mind when someone is being vague is that they're trying to conceal something, either that his plans were inchoate or unpalatable. If you have something you think is appealing, you want it disseminated as widely as possible. Jugularjoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768939120752611597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6504598332261057441.post-6904229325758249142012-11-07T20:46:49.466-05:002012-11-07T20:46:49.466-05:00Part Congratulations, Part RANTING (Sorry, I'm...Part Congratulations, Part RANTING (Sorry, I'm dealing with the loss)<br /><br />1st, I want to say that I hope his (Obama's) victory will foster a 2nd chance at bipartisanship b/w the parties. I believe our country currently faces grave problems that need solutions sooner rather than later (high unemployment, a growing debt, tax reform, and entitlement reform). I think Obama now has a good chance of being the President he envisioned in 2008.<br /><br />That said, I am not convinced this will happen. There is nothing he has said or done in his 1st term that leads me to believe he will be a bi-partisan president. I love the fact that he opened the door to Mitt Romney in his victory speech to be apart of his plans. If you recall, he did the same with McCain, but nothing came of it except an "I won" comment during the health care debates.<br /><br />Also, based on his campaign, which was nothing more than: single women vote, OR you'll lose your right to choose; hispanics vote. OR you'll be deported (which he has done in abundance during his 1st term); blacks vote, OR you'll return to servitude (that was more Biden); LGBT vote or you'll never be treated as equal citizens (I thought the election was about other issues, but I was seriously mistaken, I admit). In everything I have heard regarding his campaign, there was little if anything tangibly presented on how he desires to reform the country. I concede that Romney was VERY vague (this was purposely done) but in my opinion, he offered something more, while Obama offered even more vagueness (can you explain to me his 2nd term agenda? I've seen the democrat platform, its as vague as the republican).<br /><br />I am struck, even offended that I was fooled or lied to by Romney. I do not consider myself stupid or easily fooled. The lies Romney presented pale in comparison to Obama's lies. I would rather you admit, that Obama lied as much as Romney, and both did it for political purposes. But I am galled that people believe Obama is morally superior while Romney is merely a "bullshitter." Greg presented his arguments in the same way 2 years ago during the health care debates b/w us & it still doesn't fly with me.<br /><br />Finally, the one lie from Obama that no one, not even the press OR Romney, really called him out on was taxes on the middle class. Who do you think is going to pay for his Health Care Reform? The lie that the insurance companies will cover it is disingenuous. Those costs will be passed onto the consumer. Moreover, the Supreme Court called the language in the law "a tax" so, that in of itself is a lie from his side of the aisle.<br /><br />I wrote this more in frustration. I have been venting all day. I return to my beginning, that I hope Obama proves us on the other side wrong. Four years is plenty of time to reach out and fulfill the promise of Hope & Change.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17914069273942690108noreply@blogger.com