However, another friend posted the Batmath poster to my wall. Okay, it's ON, Jeremy!
We'll start with this poster.
That's better! |
In my review of Injustice, I lamented the fact that, Superman is often written by people who don't like what they think he represents. I don't like Batman, and I was wondering what a Batman story by someone who hates Batman would look like. My first thought was "Short," because I categorically reject the central thesis of Batman, that someone who works out a lot can compete with and often, trivially surpass people who can lift supertankers or who have alien wishing rings that bring their thoughts to life. A supervillain would throw a van at him and Batman would belatedly realize that he can't backflip out of the way and would wind up smeared across the a nearby building.
You don't generally get Batman stories by people who hate the idea of Batman. (Except All Star Batman and Robin, but Frank Miller hates everything these days.)
My friend Eric has accused me of being contrarian. I don't think that's true. I don't hate Batman because he's popular. In fact, I think he works as a street level hero. He's a great pulp character, twenty-first century Doc Savage. (Batman has his origins in Doc's era, after all) He has an outstanding Rogue's Gallery, second only to Spider-Man's. (Some people argue that Batman's stable of villains is better than Spidey's, but come on. They each feature a portly middle-aged man as a villain. Batman's sports an umbrella and a speech impediment, and Spidey's has four killer robot death tentacles strapped to his back. Advantage: Spider-man)
Superman is still the flagship hero for DC, but I'm almost positive that Batman outsells him, possibly by a considerable margin. Superman might edge him when it comes to casual fans, but Batman is far and away more popular among hardcore comic geeks.
I think a big part of that is how geeks view the
world. I used to hang out with a fellow called the Lord. (Because he
proclaimed he was the Lord of the elves, of course) Knowing him and
working in a comic shop has brought me to the conclusion that
nerds/geeks/whatever name you want to use for genre fans tend to think
they're smarter than the population at large. I think this stems, in
large part, from knowing a lot about trivial information that the
general population doesn't care about. The Lord knew more about the stat
block for the empress of the elves than most people, so he therefore
extrapolated that he was smarter than most people about most things.
As MightyGodKing said in a brilliant piece on Brainiac 5: Nerds
always love thinkers and planners, because the idea of not having any
superpower other than “I’m smarter than you” is one most nerds imagine
themselves to already have.
I won't say that everyone who likes Batman likes him for this reason, but I do think that is a large part of his appeal for a certain percentage of his fans, the super-nerd who defeats the jocks by being smarter and therefore better than them.
Batman has his
own supporting characters. Moreso than any other property except for the
various Lantern Corps, Batman exists in his own continuity. That's
where he works best, and I would even go so far as to say that he works well there. Look, I even said something nice about Batman!
The problem is when you remove Batman from
this milieu and plug him into the larger DC Universe. A gym membership
and shark repellent don't carry a lot of weight in a world of
jet-powered apes and time travel. To return to my earlier point, I don't
hate Batman because he's popular. I hate Batman, because in order for
him to work in the larger DCU, the other characters around him have to
be dumbed down to the point where they're unrecognizable.
Much has been made of Batman's contingency plans, an
element for which I have particular distaste. Batman can beat anyone,
according to the internets, as long as he has time to plan. I was arguing with an eleven-year-old about this just last week.
The Tower of Babel storyline was a decent idea marred by a dreadful execution. The gist is that Batman has sooper sekret plans to take down the other members of the Justice League, but they get stolen and implemented without his knowledge. Having
such plans is a reasonable precaution. They weren't great plans, mind
you and if you need some Rube Goldberg darkly ironic Spectre-esque machinations to take down Aquaman, maybe you're not ready to play with the big boys just yet.
If you have intimate knowledge of and unquestioning
trust from your buddies, it's not really that tricky to incapacitate
them, is it? ("Kyle, let me see your ring for a minute," "Sure, Batman"
*Bang*) And they're not even good plans, since easy access to the targets and the exotic materials (nanobots, red kryptonite) is such a fundamental part of them.
I think the JLA was right to be pissed, not because
Batman was plotting against them, but because he did such a shitty job
of safeguarding their weaknesses and secret identities.
Superman has a contingency plan to stop the league
if they turn evil, too. It goes like this: "Set J'onn on fire, kill
everyone else with my heat vision."
I think "Batman is underestimated because he's only human, but comes out on top by exploiting that" is a story that can work. Buuuuuuuut, it
works best when done sparingly. If you're constantly
vanquishing Daxamites with effortless ease, sooner or later the
powers that be are going to start taking you seriously. When I had my
discussion with the eleven-year-old, he was able to cite numerous
instances where Batman beat up Superman and challenged me to provide
some counterexamples. That's the thing. Batman as unbeatable is cemented
in nerd culture. Either he's the underdog or the uberdog. He can't be
both.
I thought Morrison did the definitive Batman as
underdog story with his initial arc in the late 90s JLA. The other
leaguers are captured by the Hyperclan. They've shot down Batman's jet,
but don't search the wreckage.
The reason they don't search the wreckage is because
they're White Martians. Think Superman, but with the additional powers
of shapeshifting, telepathy and intangibility, but a vulnerability to
fire. The Hyperclan had disguised themselves as heroes, by using their
shapeshifting and by each member limiting himself to using just one or
two of his Martian powers. Because they didn't search the flaming
wreckage when it would have been logical for them to do so, Batman gets
the final piece to the puzzle and is able to deduce their identity.
(Superman and, of course, the Martian Manhunter figure it out on their
own too, though later on, which I felt was a really nice touch.)
It works because they underestimate Batman, he has a
couple lucky breaks and he has the rest of the Justice League running
interference, which is a point that doesn't come up enough. I remember
Batman bitching something along the lines of "I'm not invulnerable, so I
can't run around in a brightly colored costume," which is kind of an
asshole thing to say, because the only reason you get to run
around in your slightly less brightly colored costume is because you
have your teammates drawing fire away from you. (To say nothing of the
fact that the young boys that you adopt and dress in garish costumes
tend to die with alarming frequency)
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I've written elsewhere on the
difficulties of writing truly intelligent characters. Even if you're
smarter than the average bear, odds are is that your audience is not.
It's a really tricky balancing act making your smart characters seem
smart while still allowing your audience to understand what's going on. A
common compromise is making everyone else a little slower than they are
when they appear away from Batman, but that's not something I like
either, because it's so clearly a cheat.
A common complaint against Superman is that he's too
powerful and boring because of that. I would argue that Batman is
worse, because "Batman always wins". It could be interesting seeing
Batman pluck victory from the jaws of defeat in the hands of a good
writer, but for every Grant Morrison or Dwayne McDuffie, there are a
dozen Rob Liefelds. Batman winning is a foregone conclusion, so the only
interesting question is how he does it. Unfortunately, too
often, the answer comes down to writer's fiat, (Good will always win
because evil is dumb?) and the whole thing smacks of kabuki.
Clearly, I don't like Batman. I would be the last
person you'd want writing a Batman story. However, since people who hate
Superman write Superman stories which actually see print with some frequency, these are the stories I, as someone who hates
Batman, would write.
1.) Beaten by a random encounter: Take away
Batman's narrative immunity and this is the most probable outcome.
Casually sliced in half by some hopped up street punk with super-powers,
or for extra piquancy, killed by a lucky shot from a $50 handgun during
a liquor store robbery.
2.) Dark Knight Proxy Battle Theory: I read
this on a message board, so I can't vouch for its accuracy directly, but
there is apparently a school of thought that Batman's battles with the
Joker are actually proxy battles, and despite all the horror and death,
Batman is actually keeping things from escalating by keeping the Joker
entertained in limited conflicts. If the Joker got bored, then he'd
cause real damage.
I like the Joker as a primal engine of chaos even
less than I like the Batgod. The Joker's psychiatrist in the Dark Knight
Return is a villain, but, well, he's not really wrong, is he? The Joker is catatonic until Batman returns.
In this version, Batman can stop the Joker whenever
he wants, but he enjoys the sparring. He doesn't want the Joker to kill
those all those people, but hey, a bunch of dead cub scouts is just the
cost of doing business, a regrettable but unavoidable consequence of
Batman's favorite passtime.
3.) Joker easily stopped by actual super-heroes: Near the
end of the 90s, there was an arc in the Batman books where Gotham City
was devastated by a huge earthquake. In one of the tie-in issues, the
JLA offers to help, and Batman, for reasons I can't quite remember,
refuses that help. I'd like to see an actual superhero (instead of
someone who just dresses up like one) clean up Gotham over the course of
a lazy weekend.
4.) Batman, Human Supremacist: This one
is hardly a stretch at all. It's pretty clear that Batman is no fan of
people with actual superpowers. "Powers are a crutch, blah blah blah,
crying cakes, this isn't sour grapes." I'd like to see an Elseworlds
Batman as a fully blown human supremacist, a Bolivar Trask or a Graydon Creed who
wants to extinguish anyone he can't control. Perhaps he could launch an
array of satellites to monitor all the metahumans in the world. Or is
that too blatantly the act of a supervillain?
5.) Batman, Mass Murderer:
Jason Todd: What? What, your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line?
The
stock answer for why Batman doesn't kill the Joker is a paraphrase of
the lines above. Because Batman will instantly crack and start killing
people all the time. I think that is, to put it mildly, a rather
specious response.
Avatar: The Last Airbender handled this thing profoundly better. "Here
is my wisdom for you: selfless duty calls for you to sacrifice your own
spiritual needs, and do whatever it takes to protect the world."
Sometimes going the right thing is about making difficult choices, even
ones that conflict with your personal values.
However,
if we buy into the belief that once he starts down that dark path,
forever will it dominate his destiny, I'd kind of be interested in
reading a Batman as a villain story, and not in the same "ha ha, fuck
Batman" way I would enjoy the rest of these scenarios. I really dug the Lex Luthor: Black Ring arc and I think this would have the potential to be something similar.
6.) Batman the Fascist: We saw shades of this is Kingdom Come.
7.) Batman, Sex Fiend and Pimp: One
of the opening issues of the new 52 featuring Batman and Catwoman
getting it on with some sweaty, grindy costumed rooftop sex. Apparently
Batman is okay with some criminals, but only as long as he gets to bang them. Stay classy, Bruce.
However, this could be a fertile ground for an
interesting Batman story. We could have Catwoman do something horrid, or
have Bats taken to task for playing favorites among the Gotham
Underworld. I'd be interested in seeing him as a kingpin, choosing
between the lesser evils, playing favorites and angrily justifying it
until he's taken down.
8.) Batman, worthless:
I always liked this passage from Excession, one of the Culture novels, because it appeals to my anti-Batman sensibilities.
The attack had been too sudden, too extreme, too capable. The plans the ship had made, of which it was an important part, could only anticipate so much, could only allow for so proportionally greater a technical capability on the part of the attacker. Beyond a certain point, there was simply nothing you could do; there was no brilliant plan you could draw up or some cunning stratagem you could employ that would not seem laughably simple and and unsophisticated to a profoundly more developed enemy.
Sometimes it just comes down to numbers, how strong you are, how fast you are. One of the central conceits of the Batgod is that powers make you lazy. Or something. That Batman is the only person in the universe who works to improve himself and everyone else coasts on what God (or the Speed Force or the Guardians) gave them. It's pretty weak.
There are two variations of this I'd like to
see. One is a crisis where Batman has nothing to contribute. He's just
dead weight and there is nothing he can do that can't be done faster and
better by his powered cohorts.
The other would be a metahuman Batman. Someone who
can catch bullets and bench press armored cars and still drives himself
to exhaustion. Someone better than Batman in every way. Again, this
could be an interesting story, and not just a "ho ho, Josh gets to watch
Batman get his comeuppance", because it would be an interesting story
seeing him come to terms with the fact that no matter how hard he pushed
himself, he would never be as good as the other guy.
I'm not a big fan of Geoff Johns, but I do love the writing in his scene.
What would I like to see in a Batman story? As I said above, I do think he works as a street level/pulp character. I could see him as an Oracle type coordinator in a JLA setting, but not on the front lines. As Wonderful as the JLA show was, it was too often Batman and his Amazing Friends. Morrison made him work for a while, but that's Grant Morrison.
"I categorically reject the central thesis of Batman, that someone who works out a lot can compete with and often, trivially surpass people who can lift supertankers or who have alien wishing rings that bring their thoughts to life."
ReplyDeleteI was going to argue this point, but you basically spent half your post making my argument for me. Still, despite having posted almost exactly the things I was going to say, you seem to have missed the point I wanted to make: That this is not the central thesis of Batman. Batman is a street-level hero designed to fight street-level villains. You even admit that he works well within the context that he's designed for.
So the problem, then, isn't really with Batman at all. The problem is that Batman's popularity has led to him frequently being written into contexts where he does not belong, forcing the writers to perform plot gymnastics to make him relevant there. But this problem isn't unique to Batman. Look at ANY crossover between a street-level hero and a cosmic hero, and you'll see the exact same thing happen. It's just more obvious with Batman because his complete lack of powers combined with his extreme popularity has lead to him being written into these sorts of situations far more often than most other heroes.
I agree with almost everything you say in this post, except that I love Batman. I just hate what happens when the four-color DCU intrudes on the hard-boiled noir city of Gotham.
I'll agree that hard-boiled Batman works well (or at least can work well, because there are just as many hack writers writing in that sub-genre as there are in more traditional super-hero stories), but I'm not sure that's the default presentation for him any more.
DeleteThe Justice League/Justice League Unlimited series was pretty influential, not only in the way it shaped the way that a lot of people see Batman but in the way that it seems to be governing editorial direction at DC in 2013. I don't have a huge sample size, but the internet does seem to talk about Batman more as the "Can beat anyone as long as he has time to plan" hero than they do as a legitimate street level character.
Though, it seems, despite the tone of the post, that we agree more than we disagree. Batman is a good street-level hero, but requires some contortions to make him relevant to a plot heavy on cosmic level characters.
Admittedly, my main points of reference for Batman are the late 90's Batman the Animated Series, followed by the Michael Keaton movies, followed by the Christopher Nolan movies. All of those (mostly) ignore the rest of the DCU, which allows him to stand on his own as a street-level noir hero.
Delete"I was arguing with an eleven-year old about this."
ReplyDeleteDood, let it go.
Having read most of the post--it really is quite long--I think the salient point you make is that Batman feels like an outsider in comparison to the rest of the DC universe. It's a systemic problem that isn't really solvable.
GGM: I think the salient point you make is that Batman feels like an outsider in comparison to the rest of the DC universe. It's a systemic problem that isn't really solvable.
DeleteI think you're right, as far as that goes. Someone described the process of trying to shoehorn characters where they don't belong as being like trying to force a square peg into dork-shaped hole, which was a turn of phrase I rather liked.
However, don't confuse the process of criticism with that of reform. I'd enjoy reading the stories I've suggested, and I think that in many ways they're a more logical consequence of the facts we've been given, but I hold no illusions that they're viable, commercially or otherwise.
Jugular Josh: "Someone described the process of trying to shoehorn characters where they don't belong as being like trying to force a square peg into dork-shaped hole, which was a turn of phrase I rather liked."
ReplyDeleteI don't disagree with this statement, but I find it interesting that Batman no longer fits the DC Universe. The only major superhero that predates Batman as far as DC as a publishing house goes is Superman, and it's arguable that both were thought about in a marketing sense about the same time and certainly in the same era. (Interestingly, I didn't know that Superman was created by two high school students in Cleveland). You'd think that there'd be more Batman clones running around, but that hasn't been in the case, or at least none of those I've read about--and some of the are truly appalling heroes--had any staying power.
This also reminds me of the, er, age old debate about whether DC is better than Marvel or vice versa. Growing up the general consensus among the comic book geeks I knew was that DC sucked the biggest suck that ever sucked. And Superman played a big part in why kids didn't like DC that much. One person who turned about to be a talented cartoonist defaced a Superman comic for a project in which everyone had to instruct the class on how to do something following a certain amount of steps. People didn't like Superman in particular at the time because he seemed TOO superhuman. He had abilities like being able to move whole planets, which really is stretching the limits of what we're willing to believe, though that type of argument itself is always problematic. Anyway, DC responded to that and toned down Superman's powers. Not sure how much that plays into dumbing Supes down, if at all, but I wanted to throw that into the conversation.
GGM: I don't disagree with this statement, but I find it interesting that Batman no longer fits the DC Universe.
DeleteWe grew up with the shared universe comics, so it seems natural to us, but it's actually a later development than you might think. I can't remember when the shift came, but for the longest times, comics were almost completely separate. If the Joker blew up the moon in a Batman story, it would be right up there in the sky in a Superman story on sale the same week. (And probably be back in the next issue of Batman)
For a long time, the market for comics was young kids, and publishers figured that the population of comics readers would completely refresh every two years, so they didn't worry about continuity and they felt comfortable recycling the same story every couple years. That's why there are three or four Silver Age stories where Jimmy Olsen gets turned into a gorilla.
After a time, publishers saw the benefit of a unified continuity and moved towards that model.
GGM: This also reminds me of the, er, age old debate about whether DC is better than Marvel or vice versa.
I like them for different things. Marvel's stories are more grounded, DC's are more iconic. I liked Marvel when I was younger, primarily due to the fact that we lived down the street from a colorist for Marvel who would give us a bunch of free comics every so often, I gravitated towards DC as an adult, but I'm souring on DC with the latest reboot. If you haven't been keeping up, they rebooted their continuity yet again about a year and a half ago.
GGM: Growing up the general consensus among the comic book geeks I knew was that DC sucked the biggest suck that ever sucked. And Superman played a big part in why kids didn't like DC that much...People didn't like Superman in particular at the time because he seemed TOO superhuman.
I know I felt that way when I was in high school, but I think that was a function of teenage cynicism. And I do think it takes a talented writer to make Superman interesting. I don't think I disliked him because he was too powerful; I think I disliked him because he was boring. Though, that of course, was directly tied to his almost limitless power, and was pretty much the same complaint I made about Batman in the post, that it's boring to read about someone who wins all the time, especially if his victories are pulled directly from the writer's ass.
GGM: He had abilities like being able to move whole planets, which really is stretching the limits of what we're willing to believe, though that type of argument itself is always problematic. Anyway, DC responded to that and toned down Superman's powers. Not sure how much that plays into dumbing Supes down, if at all, but I wanted to throw that into the conversation.
I'm going to quote one of my posts (http://where-there-had-been-darkness.blogspot.com/2011/01/superman-and-better-angels-of-our.html ) on this subject: My friend mentioned that she thought that Superman was too powerful to be easily challenged, and therefore boring. There is certainly more than a little merit to that point of view (Pre-Crisis Superman, I'm looking at you. You're welcome to address these complaints here if you're not too busy pushing around suns and beating up God), but I think the best Superman stories don't ask if he *can* do something, but if he *should*.
Though it is worth noting that All-Star Superman, the comic I consider the best Superman story in the modern era, and possibly the best Superman story ever, ramps him up to his old levels of power and still manages to make him interesting.